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16 Responses to “Huckabee Is Pathetic”

1. Kathy Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 9:36 am

   Well if he’s on the ballot vs. McCain, I’ll vote for him. That’s how much I dislike McCain.

2. Kathy Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 9:36 am

   Our primary is May 6 in NC.

3. Caleb Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 12:35 pm

   If McCain is the nominee of the GOP and takes them down to defeat in Nov., you can thank Huckleberry Hound. He of the snide, underhanded, covert, religious bigot remark. He of the “Vote for me because I am a Christian and my opponents aren’t, but I am not running on my religion.” He who is the GOPs certified clone of Jimmah Cawtah.

   I think it is wonderful that the GOP has, once again arranged to run a liberal Repub. against an even more liberal Dem. Oh, and once again all of us real Conservatives are being told to sit down and shut up, to volunteer to do the scut work of the election that RINOs won’t do, to hold our noses and vote for the RINO, to obey our betters.

   Once again we are being told that a liberal is a conservative, that we just don’t know the meaning of Conservative, just like we were told with Bush 1 and Bush 2. Remember when Bush 1 told us that his would be a “kinder, gentler” Presidency than the Reagan Presidency? Then we were told that “compassionate conservative” was not really the same as a Rockefeller, blue-blood, country club, liberal Repub, and we wanted to believe, so we did.

   For 48 years I have made the trek to the polls and pulled the lever for the GOP nominee for POTUS. For 48 years I have been played for a fool, with the exception of 1980 and 84, and the sacrificial lamb put up in 1964. Not this time. Fool me once, shame on you! Fool me repeatedly, shame on me! Not this year. There is an old Pennsylvania Dutch expression that says, “We grow too soon old, and too late smart.” The GOP has proven the truth of that this primary season, in spades.

4. Steve Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

   Kathy, if you can’t bring yourself to vote for McCain (I understand) at least vote for Obama in the primaries.
   By May 6th, the GOP primary will have long been over, but Her Thighness and Obama-man will still be duking it out. If you’re really interested in ending the Clinton era for good, crossover and vote for Obama.
   I will definitely be doing so in Texas this week (early voting starts here Feb. 19th).

5. Steve Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 5:07 pm

   Caleb - regarding Huckabee as “He who is the GOPs certified clone of Jimmah Cawtah.” It’s even worse than that.
   He’s Bill Clinton without the sex scandals. A tax-hiking, big spending, smooth-talking, used car salesman of a candidate who knows he has no shot a winning but refuses to get off the stage because he likes the limelight.
   Sorry but we’ve been there, done that.

6. Kathy Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

   I actually believe the implosion of Hill’s campaign is nearer than any of us think. She’s going to lose TX and OH both and there will be no sense in delaying the inevitable even she knows she’s done. It won’t be pretty, but the rats are already leaving the ships, Captain Blyte Herself will have no reason for hope.

   Here’s the reason - she thought she would be done on Feb 5. She has no machine in place and she was caught off guard, counting on racism to keep the south from voting for him, which they did anyway. If racism is to blame it’s in NY, CA and those blue states that supported her.

   Turns out the NYPost has the goods on how dirty the win in NY was for Hillary. Apparently those who cheated for her didn’t realize that zero black votes from a district in Harlem might raise red flags. Did she really win NY? They are still counting. (read: mining for votes)

   And why did NM come in so late? If that had been the presidential contest - NM would have been evicted from the Union for such incompetence. And after days and days it finally comes up Hillary. Sure it does.

   At some point even she hasn’t got enough cheaters, the country is just too big.

7. Steve Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm

   One more thing - elections are rarely ever a choice between perfect candidates. Don’t allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good. I do not subscribe to the idea of “letting the Democrats win” so we can get better, conservative candidates next time. Here’s why:

   1) We tried that in 2006. It got us a Democrat-controlled Congress and John McCain as our 2008 nominee.

   2) For those talking about choice between “a liberal [or moderate] Republican vs an even more liberal Democrat,” I still say pick Republican. The country would be better off.

   3) Do any of you truly believe a two-term George H.W. Bush would’ve done a worse job than a two-term Bill Clinton? Remember when Clinton was in office, you Repubs (I was Democrat then) were longing for the elder Bush and wishing you’d stayed with him in 1992?

   4) George W. Bush on his WORST day has been better than either Al Gore or John Kerry would’ve been on their BEST day.

   So please, let’s all tap on the breaks a little bit here and remember what’s at stake in this election. We have brave young people risking their lives overseas for a noble cause. Try to think of them when you go into the voting booth.

8. Kathy Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 6:40 pm

   Here’s someone that expresses my thoughts on this topic:

   I absolutely agree that the perfect is the enemy of the good. I also agree with getting half a loaf.

   I liked Duncan Hunter with 96% agreement. Fred! looks pretty good indeed. Huckabee has some problems, but I think many of them are exzaggerated by elitist snobs. Romney is a basic Northeasterner type who is smart enough to realize he has to be the candidate of the whole party, and is willing to work at it. Maybe I could have voted for Guiliani if he made a whole bunch of ‘Read My Lips’ promises.

   This is not the standpoint of a purist. So let us put that charge of purist to rest like the inaccuracy it is.

   John McCain has delighted in poking a stick in the eye of conservatives for decades. He’s obstinate on all the wrong issues, and soft on most of the right. And he will probably lack the power to do anything good except to do what Hillary or probably Obama would do anyways.

   Even still, I could vote for a man who despises me and mine. Really. Unfortunately, he’d have to agree to a list about twenty items long which would include things like putting in Edith Jones and other orginilist judges who would almost certainly overturn his prize legislation–McCain-Feingold Incumbency Protection Act as the unconstitutional infringement on free speech that it is.

   Right now, he’s Rehoboam. His advisers are telling him…”The people complain about how hard they have it. You go out there and tell them ..my father whipped you with whips, but I will whip you with scorpions.”

   He’s proud.

   And he’s running into the most principled, and hardnosed element in American politics. Conservatives, like anyone, prefer power. But its power for a purpose. Without a purpose, power is pointless. RINO’s–not so much in any of that.

   I suspect the ‘purist’ label could more accurately apply to the liberal RINOs.

   And yes, I’m aping the RINOs. This is a game of chicken. I’d like to say that reason and discussion were the dominant factors here, but its not. This is about power.

   Its not even about electability. Bush Sr. in his second go, Dole, 2006 congressional elections….

   RINO’s lose.

   Conservatism with a bold fearless touch, and a smile wins.

   Its nice to be there. Not only is the right thing the right thing, its also the more successful thing on several levels.

   You call us childish. I could say what I said earlier, and admit to being childish, and ask you, the adult what you’re going to do to fix things.

   Or I could simply say that one of the key aspects of childishness is a short time horizon. Conservatives are looking at a longer time horizon than most of the RINO’s. If we can get the party reformed, then we can make enough repairs to the situation to overcome the damage the Dem did (and this is not the same as undoing the Dem damage. Reagan did not undo Carter, but Reagan did win the Cold War which is vastly better than the damage Carter did.).

   And what if the RINO’s are truly so filled with snobbery that they won’t bend? Well, then its time to leave the Republican Party anyways. If Liberal purists refuse to compromise then fine.

   The Conservatives by the grace of the Lawgiver gave them thirty years of victory. We are not obligated to give them one more. And it were well that the poison in their souls be allowed out for all the world to marvel at.

   Those who are not so poisoned, who don’t see Conservatives as the problem, I would welcome. I’ve proven my willingness to compromise. But compromise is a two way street.

   Yehudit, you would do well to look to the others on your side, and ask them….Why will you not bend?

   It’s from a thread of moderates bashing conservatives at Pajamas Media.

   Everytime I read xsd4tx brand condescension about his hero McCain I dig my heels in deeper.

   And no you don’t lose power forever. Once the GOP recalls that it cannot win without people who vote and are active and believe in government, they’ll come back to the well. The moderates have led the GOP into the desert and that is where they remain until they return to first principles.

   Power without purpose? That is the current incarnation of the GOP.

9. Stephanie Says:
   February 17th, 2008 at 7:29 pm

   Steve, I understand where you’re coming from but I have to point out that McCain isn’t H.W. or G.W. but something even less than they. Just because they didn’t do any harm you can’t apply the same theory to McCain because McCain is who he is and has done what he has done. Besides, I’m not all that crazy about Bush’s domestic results considering we’re in this fix because of his and a lot of the Congress critters’ big government solutions to everything although I will acknowledge that he’s better than the Dems.

   McCain has not promised anything conservative, not even judges. He won’t either. Instead he’ll use cleverly worded soundbytes that we can interpret to mean what we want them to mean. Look at what he said about judges at CPAC, for instance:

   McCain vowed to nominate judges who “take as their sole responsibility the enforcement of law’s made by the people’s elected representatives.”

   For one thing, judges don’t enforce the law. For another, it doesn’t specify conservative or any other type so one can deduce from this that McCain will do whatever McCain wants to do or is to his advantage in some way, which may or may not be the right thing.

   The point I’m trying to get across is that McCain may or may not be worse than Obama or Clinton. However, we know what the latter two will do versus the possibility of what McCain might do.

   And the more his supporters try to ram him down our throats, the more I want to back off and not bother to vote myself. For all I know, that’s what the Party wants us to do because they sure aren’t helping their cause by continually rubbing it in our faces that we don’t have a choice.

   If you really want to fix the country, stop worrying about the presidential election and start working on the upcoming Senate seats… wherever they are… and what few House seats we can manage to win. At this point, it’s not about letting the Democrats win. They already have even though they still don’t have a nominee for their party. McCain is their win-win no matter what happens from here on out.

10. Steve Says:
    February 17th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Believe me, I understand how you all feel about John McCain. He is the LAST person I would’ve picked as the GOP nominee. He’s been a major pain in conservative backsides for years and seems to revel in it. We definitely had better choices early on.

    But, let me give you some background. I lived in Tucson, AZ for 12 years. For the last six of those years I was very active in the county Republican party. I worked for the George W. Bush for President campaign against John McCain in in 1999 - as a Democrat. In 2000, I led rallies against the Gore/Lieberman attempt to steal the election from W. during the Florida recount.
    I also wrote articles, did local radio and TV interviews, worked phone banks, walked precincts, and participated in strategy sessions to promote the party and good, strong GOP candidates.

    In that time, we got 2 moderate Republicans councilmembers and a moderate GOP mayor elected to the city council. For the record, Tucson is a left-leaning college town so that was no small feat.

    Now, would it have been better to have conservative candidates on the city council? Yes, much. Was that likely to happen in Tucson? No. Were these people still better than having liberals on the council? Yes, absolutely! I say that because in 2006, the GOP suffered huge losses in Tucson to liberal Dems and the result has been higher taxes and more liberal policies. Friends still living there say there’s a noticeable disparity.

    McCain annoys me more than you can imagine. But this is about something BIGGER than him. This is about our TROOPS. I can’t bring myself to vote against their interest - even if that means having to vote for McCain in the general. Their sacrifice is more than worth the discomfort of voting for a very flawed GOP candidate. As bad as Johnny Mac is though, he’s still much better for the military than Hillary or Barack could ever be.

    But please don’t think that I’m saying we should all bow down to McCain and tow the party line. His supporters (like xsd4tx) who keep insisting that we “grow up” only strengthen my dislike of their candidate. If you can’t vote for him, that’s fine by me.

    Just make sure you all go into this election with your eyes wide open. Understand what the consequences of a Democrat presidency and Congress could be: surrender in Iraq, weakened security at home, higher taxes, more government spending, and more liberal judges on the Supreme Court. Having lived in places run by liberal Democrats and places run by moderate-to-conservative Republicans, there’s a world of difference between the two.

11. Stephanie Says:
    February 18th, 2008 at 8:07 am

    Steve, the ONLY reason I will vote for him is because of the troops. I’m fully aware of what will happen to them under Obama or Clinton.

    What truly bugs me is the attitude from McCain supporters, like they’ve won some kind of victory and the expectation is that we conservatives should line up like little sheep and vote for McCain and forget all his imperfections… serious imperfections.

    This attitude coming from the Republican party is so much like liberal think that it’s actually scary. Criticism of the apparent nominee is no longer allowed… another assault on our free speech from the man who has successfully assaulted the First Amendment in the past which opened doors for organizations like Code Pink to run amok without fear of reprisal.

    We’re called names, like radical right-wing nuts, in response to such criticism. We’re called bigots and racists for fighting amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens who have no intention of assimilating but instead expect accommodation for their illegal activities… at our cost, not theirs. And there’s so much more I could list.

    Just because I may be forced to vote for a liberal Republican because the alternatives are even worse doesn’t mean I’m going to close my eyes and ears to all that’s wrong with the apparent nominee nor will I stop reminding people that we can’t expect much from a McCain presidency.

    The Republican elite will place him upon a pedestal for conservative worship. Sorry, I don’t do government worship. That’s a liberal habit. I’m a conservative and intend to stay that no matter what the political parties do now and in the future.

12. Steve Says:
    February 18th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    Steph - looks like you and I will be voting for the same reason.

    I also agree with you about the McCainiacs who call conservatives names, say that talk radio hosts are just “potentates,” that we’re gonna have to “grow up” and should just “fall in line.” Those aren’t ways to endear us to the McCain campaign. You would think someone over there would be smart enough to figure that out.

    As far as you “reminding people that we can’t expect much from a McCain presidency.” I wouldn’t expect anything less. Like I told you before, don’t ever change.

13. Stephanie Says:
    February 18th, 2008 at 9:36 am

    I don’t plan on changing, Steve.

14. suek Says:
    February 20th, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    Steve and Steph…

    I’m with you. I’ll vote for McCain, but I think _this_ (”If you really want to fix the country, stop worrying about the presidential election and start working on the upcoming Senate seats… wherever they are… and what few House seats we can manage to win.”) is a critical adjunct. Is there a group/organization working on this angle? Obviously, the generalized Republican party isn’t going to cut it…so it has to be a movement within the Party, at least until it’s possible to either move the party to the right or become large enough to break away.
    Any suggestions?

15. Stephanie Says:
    February 20th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    suek, not that I’ve found but we could always start one here

    There’s a site called Project Vote Smart which will give you the background on candidates at just about every level of government depending on what you put into the search criteria. It’s a great place to gather information.

16. suek Says:
    February 20th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    I think I’ve bookmarked that site - but at home. That’s a start, but we also need some linkage among like thinkers. I have to think about that for a bit. Thought about maybe a yahoo group that might be a start…maybe. I’m still thinkin’…

    Ran across this…

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=25115

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