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35 Responses to “OBAMA WON’T WEAR AMERICAN FLAG PIN”

1. MFG Says:
   October 4th, 2007 at 8:51 pm

   FWIW I have always thought that man was a Muslim, regardless of the denials

2. Kathy Says:
   October 4th, 2007 at 9:14 pm

   He will never be president declaring war on the flag. He made it an issue.

   He’ll get the votes of all those who are ashamed of the flag. Do those people vote?

3. Kathy Says:
   October 4th, 2007 at 9:19 pm

   Obama is a phony patriot.

4. Steph Says:
   October 5th, 2007 at 12:04 pm

   Kathy, with or without the pin he still flunks patriotism. Why worry about whether he wears a flag pin as a shield against the obvious?

5. Bruce Says:
   October 5th, 2007 at 12:11 pm

   Do all of you have on your flag pins on your lapel today….since when did wearing a pin on your lapel become a measure of your patriotism….because if it is then all of you without your pins on today must be “phony patriots” too…..this is just being drummed up by the media…you guys of all people should know that the media grabs on to every little thing they can….instead of them asking him questions about public policy..they were asking him about a wearing a pin on his lapel….He never expressed any distain for the flag or disrespect….I don’t think he gave the best answer he could have…but for you or the media to question his patriotism because of flag pin not being worn absolutely ludicrous……and since when did you guys start to agree with this liberal media…….I guess only when it attacks the dems….

   Obama in ‘08

6. Steph Says:
   October 5th, 2007 at 12:31 pm

   “but for you or the media to question his patriotism because of flag pin not being worn absolutely ludicrous”

   I don’t question his patriotism because of the absence of a flag pin. In fact, I don’t question it at all. In my mind it’s a settled issue and he has none. If a flag pin is indicative of patriotism, I’d find it offensive if he wore one, so I’d just as soon he doesn’t wear one.

7. Kathy Says:
   October 5th, 2007 at 12:53 pm

   Actually Bruce I always wear a flag pin to political rallies. And guess what, my flag flies every day in front of my house. Oh yeah, and my flag is on the bumper of my car across which is written “Freedom Isn’t Free”.

   And when I attend a sports event and they say the pledge of allegiance, I stand and put my hand over my heart and I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

   Now what part of that does Obama have a problem with, oh yeah, it represents phony patriotism.

   True patriotism is aiding and abetting our enemies by undermining the troops at home by threatening to yank their funding, pull them out before they have completed their mission, and, defaming them personally, and calling them losers. It’s hoping for defeat of the USA. It’s giving more rights to terrorist captives than to the soldiers who defend us, and ‘understanding the enemy’ and continuously misunderstanding the soldier. It’s deriding a man for calling a phony soldier a phony soldier when said soldier assumed the mantle of honor and service he did not earn (yes Obama signed that letter).

   I’m with Steph, Obama is flying his true colors and nowhere is there any red, white, and blue.

   But if he was standing next to me when he made that remark I would make him see stars.

   That said, Obama is still fifty laps around the world ahead of his opposition on the subject. They are traitors pure and simple.

   But when Hillary sees the backlash, you can bet she’ll dig out her flag pin - at least Obama doesn’t misrepresent himself. (That’s a compliment along the lines of “you don’t sweat much for a fat girl”.)

   Definition of patriotic:
   

   supporter of own country: a proud supporter or defender of his or her country and its way of life

   Your party has put itself in the position of defining patriotism as undermining American success in a war for survival.

   This was an unforced error, Bruce.

8. Kathy Says:
   October 5th, 2007 at 12:59 pm

   BTW, Calling flag flying a substitute for true patriotism is an insult to all of us who do.

   Only guilt and vanity working both ends of a weak mind could come up with such a concept.

9. Steph Says:
   October 5th, 2007 at 1:32 pm

   Wearing a flag pin wouldn’t show anybody my patriotism. I’m always home and usually nobody else here. The flag on my house, however, is probably oversized but I wanted to make sure my neighbors can see it.. I’m surrounded by BDSers.

10. Bruce Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 1:43 pm

    Kathy,

    So let’s see…I fly a flag at home…I say the pledge of allegiance (I believe it should be said everyday in our public schools)….I stand with my hand over my heart when the national anthem is sung at sporting events…I even watch the movie “The Patriot” with Mel Gibson and I cry….but I don’t own a flag pin nor do I have any bumper stickers on my car…..does that make me less of a patriot than you…Obama never said anything about flying the flag what he said was “I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest,” ……..And you know days after 9/11 everyone was wearing flag t-shirts, dresses, hats and yes pins….did that show make those people more patriots…..and where are they now…

    On the war….Obama was against going to Iraq from the beginning…he wasn’t like a lot of the dems who flip flopped on this issue…..I agree with him going to Iraq was a mistake from the beginning….Now that we are there and AQ has come there to fight us we do have an obligation to complete our mission…but we also have an obligation to our troops and the truth of them matter we are pushing them beyond their limits with these extended and repeated tours of duty…The troops we have physically can’t keep this up..the troops and their families are the casualties here…Is it unpatriotic to want to bring our young men and women home…No we can’t desert Iraq now and Iran looms every day as a bigger threat….but we can’t continue the course….In fact we probably need to prepare to send out troops next door to Iran…either way Iraq is going to have to be able to move on with a lot less of our help and they need to do it soon…..

11. Bruce Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    Steph,

    HMMMMmmmmm…So let me see….Not holding to Steph’s ideology makes you not a patriot or less of one……..I don’t agree with everything any of the candidates have to say repubs or dems……but I don’t consider them not to be patriots..(with the exception of Hillary and that is another story unto itself)…..Obama like all of the other candidates makes mistakes along the way he is human and as I said he didn’t handle this well but….Obama is a patriot…Obaqma loves this country…….Obama has a vision…..Just because it doens’t agree totally with you doesn’t make it any less patriotic….Also I guess according to you “size really does matter”

12. Steph Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 4:11 pm

    Bruce, you don’t even know what my ideology is.

    Now, as to why I question his patriotism… he along with others give comfort and aid to the enemy. When you hear people like Ahmadinejad and BinLaden repeat back the very words of the Democrats who first uttered them, you know they have given comfort and aid to the enemy. And… at the same time they demoralize our troops, put them down, and do everything they can to insure defeat.

    That’s why I question his patriotism. As far as ideology, yes, there is a lot to disagree with as far as I’m concerned but that’s a different matter entirely.

13. Kathy Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 5:48 pm

    Actually Bruce he said flag waivers are substituting for real patriotism.

    At the very least it shows a want of understanding the meaning of the word.

    The soldiers are not victims, they are volunteers. They are re-enlisting at 150% the normal retention rate.

    That seems odd behavior if they are as desparate as you describe them. I think you too are the victim of a lying press. Try reading milblogs for a change, it’s a real eyeopener. If you want a list I’ll post it.

    You ask if it is unpatriotic to want to bring our troops home now and you say NO. Well you’d be wrong. It is unpatriotic absolutely to be an obstacle to completion of the mission of our military. Treason is the real word for it.

    Bruce do you know who the antiwar protesters are? The two main groups who organize those protests (ANSWER is one, I can’t think of the other at the moment, but I’ll be back to you on that) are members of the international communist party? And yes those people are unpatriotic. They don’t love America and want to see our whole way of life and system of government collapse and replace it with cradle to grave socialism.

    The progressive party is not progressive. It is regressive and wants to take this country back to the days of King George but the Queen’s name would be Hillary instead.

    There would be no upward mobility because as soon as a person gets ahead, it is taken from him and ‘redeployed’ into the gov’t’s coffers where it can pay for the Queen’s new china.

    One of the most horrific facts about this at this time in history is that the black race is beginning, just beginning to make salaries and develop personal wealth on par with their white counterparts, and as soon as they do have something to leave their children, the government is going to step in and take it. Yes it hurts the black community more because of the injustice of it. White people have been doing this for generations, but for some reason as more and black people are working free from poverty, and we have a larger and larger black middle class, there is a need to take their money when they die. Why do the democrats want to keep blacks poor or at the least keep them from having generational wealth?

    There are more black millionaires in this country than ever before in our history. I’m proud of that fact. They have more than earned it. But if Hillary gets her way, they won’t be able to leave it to their children without giving most of it to her.

    That is unAmerican.

    Where are the flag wavers now? They are the ones who believe in the republic. They vote. They say thank you to the military in various ways and never by demeaning them with victim stereotypes. These guys are smarter than the Average American and they are nobody’s fool.

    It strikes me that the reason we are having this debate about patriotism is that one party sees the soldiers as stupidly falling into the wrong plans, and the other sees them as valiantly defending us against any and all who would do us harm.

    In my work Bruce, I can tell you that our counterterrorism efforts are centered around determining the cause of mass deaths, chemical and biological identifications. I suppose my knowledge of these substances brings home the reality of the damage terrorists could do if we treat them like a police problem.

    Our soldiers are there for a purpose. They don’t ask much. But if you can’t help, don’t get in their way.

    And stop treating them like mindless pawns. It’s insulting.

    And that last part about we can’t help Iraqis - are you serious? Or are you the last person on the planet to know that the surge is working? Casualties are way down, hospitals are emptying.

    Our soldiers are doing their jobs. I as one flag waver, remember those who’ve worn that flag on their final journey. I remember. That’s what the wearing of the flag means.

    And when you don’t want to wear it, you’ve forgotten. And that is unpatriotic.

14. Bruce Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 6:35 pm

    Kathy,

    I have to say this and I mean this in a very complementary way….if you have as much passion behind closed doors as you show in some of you comments, your family and especially your husband are some very lucky people…..

    I will say it again Obama did not handle the question very well a simple redirection would have done well in this case like “why are asking me about a pin when you should be asking about issues and these are the issues” that would have gotten his point across….

    I don’t believe I ever said our soldiers were either desperate, victims or mindless pawns….what I did say is they are the casualties and this war is taking a toll on them…and to say that it isn’t is a little naive or sticking our heads in the sand..

    “And that last part about we can’t help Iraqis - are you serious?”

    I never said was can’t help the Iraqis what I said is there are other issues like Iran that our troops may have to address…we can’t fully support Iraq forever….read what I say and everything that I say don’t just lift the sound bites……

15. Kathy Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 8:30 pm

    Actually Bruce,
    When you talk about the troops as if they are victims - and that is what you are saying - you dishonor the fact that they and their families are making sacrifices willingly and for a purpose. If they are forced to fail because they don’t have the support they need, we’ll be losing a lot more in the years to come.

    Nobody is saying we stay in Iraq forever, what a strawman! Is there nothing between staying until stability is secured and staying forever?

    And why do you think that they alone are suffering casualties? I see it differently. We as a nation suffer a grievous loss for each one of our fallen. Each one that falls or is hurt is an injury to us all. That’s why the idea that it is unnecessary and unsuccessful is so offensive. It isn’t only their losses, it is our losses. Stand in Arlington Cemetary sometime, Bruce. it’s revelatory. Did you know it was Robert E. Lee’s home, and Grant wanted to shame him, and turned his land into a national cemetary? Supreme Court Justices are buried there, presidents are buried there, generals are buried there, and yup, lowly privates, seamen, and airmen. It’s a great equalizer. They are all great men to whom we owe a debt we can only repay by standing vigil preserving that for which they sacrificed.

    Yes, we may have to fight Iran, but we won’t use the same strategy. Just as the Afghanistan methods failed in Iraq, Iraq methods would fail in Iran. We may use bombs, but we won’t be bombing the aspirin factories. And I have confidence in our soldiers, you don’t get that by having your head in the media, or wherever…

    I write with passion about my country because I’ve been to third world countries where the government doesn’t work like ours. I’ve seen real poverty in places where the biggest problem isn’t the obesity of the poor.

    And I’ve been in countries that are put up in the media and by democrats as a model we should emulate, like France - socialist countries that have medical care that runs like the DMV.

    Been to Europe many times, have family there and friends. But it would be a giant step backwards to be like France, and though I love em, the Brits. The world looks up to us and they come here in droves, not the other way around.

    So when members of your party start attacking the way of life those fellas in Iraq are dying for, I take it very personally, passionately, if you prefer. I fight here, and they fight there. And I don’t know if the keyboard is mightier than the sword, but I’ll do my part.

    What do you think the soldier prefers, to see the flag flying on my house or fifteen minutes listening to Obama telling him what patriotism is?

    If Obama wanted to separate himself from the crowd, he’d go to Iraq and see for himself.

16. MK Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 9:03 pm

    It must be a nuance thing folks, he’s above all that, some might consider him arrogant and a fool, but then we’re just simple folks, lacking in nuance and all that.

17. Bruce Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 9:38 pm

    You know what people no matter what you think about Obama’s latest flub… wouldn’t you really rather see him on the democratic ticket than Hillary…..think about it……

18. Kathy Says:
    October 5th, 2007 at 9:45 pm

    Bruce,
    I don’t have to think about it. You are correct that for the sake of the country, I’d prefer Obama over Hillary.

19. Republicanpundit Says:
    October 7th, 2007 at 2:25 pm

    Bruce,

    All your points may be valid from your point of view, but you are not trying to be the leader of the country, so really do not apply.

20. Allan Smithee Says:
    October 9th, 2007 at 1:24 am

    Is it any surprise that liberals don’t respect the flag, let alone our country? They’ll do whatever they can to make the U.S. more like Canada or France or Britain, anything but the land of the free. Socialized health care (do you really want the people that work at the DMV working for your doctor?) no first or second amendment is that the country you want to live in? These guys are just a bunch of millionaires looking for more power and money, they don’t care about anyone but themselves.

21. Bruce Says:
    October 9th, 2007 at 1:10 pm

    RP,

    And are you trying to be the leader of this country…..what does that say for your points….

22. Red Blooded American Says:
    November 5th, 2007 at 9:12 am

    Also look at the fact at WHO made Millions of Dollars selling those Cheap taiwan and chinese made pins (and cheap flags, magnets, banners, and all kinds of cheaply made junk) to thousands of non-voting people that only want to ride the bandwagon and look like they care. 99% of those pins and crap are MADE OVERSEAS and over 90% of MONEY went back OVERSEAS, and usually to non democratic countries! That helps America how?

23. Kathy Says:
    November 5th, 2007 at 9:36 am

    Is where they are manufactured your best argument?

    That’s pathetic.

    The flag is a symbol if you don’t believe it walk down the street carrying one. It will divide the wheat from the chaff immediately.

    Some fool will curse you and ask where you bought it, and still others will salute the flag you carry.

    We know from your comment what side of the street you would choose.

24. Gerry Hopper Says:
    November 20th, 2007 at 7:12 pm

    Obama is an absolute traitor—This jerk should be made to answer for the disrespect he showed to thousands of American heros.

    Shame on you Obama— you are a total waste

25. Jason Nored Says:
    November 28th, 2007 at 7:57 pm

    How could any of you people possibly support some muslim for president?
    Whats all this about a pin? The pin is not nearly as bad as the fact that he refuses to salute the flag, cover his heart, or say the pledge itself. Does that not exclude him from running this country?
    Bottom line, this guy is no American so it would be ridiculous to call him a patriot!!!!!

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27. Mike Says:
    January 1st, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Instead of arguing whether Obama is a patriot, let your vote or lack thereof tell Obama how you feel. Each of you can bounce words back an forth, but the other is not going to change their mind - totally senseless if you ask me, not to mention a waste of time (just as this post is). Have a great year - may the best man win!

28. snowbird Says:
    January 25th, 2008 at 6:07 am

    Excuse me but where was all this so called rage when over 50 thousand of our boys were killed in vietnam???????? And my dad served in world war 2. It was something he always reminded me of before he died last year. There has always been war and always will be war and no one can prevent it. One death in any war is just as important to someone as another death in some other war..but the worst war is yet to come if Obama makes it into the Whitehouse because you cannot serve in a place you do not respect.This election is about power and influence(among other things)and DICTATORSHIP is the word surrounding this election.Mark my words and check the backgrounds.

29. Sharelle Says:
    February 5th, 2008 at 10:33 am

    I disagree with Kathy and Steph, both of you are dumb asses. Not Everyone has a past that they’re not ashamed of, n u 2 r probably ganging up on him because he’s black. This is Black History Month bitches rather u like it or not. N 4 u 2 say sumthin as cruel about him as u did, just says that u 2 are children of the devil. I don’t care if it is the month of the elections, u wait 2 next month to say something so cruel dumb ho’s!!!!!

30. Marline Says:
    February 5th, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Sharelle right own ma sister right on

31. Marline Says:
    February 5th, 2008 at 10:52 am

    They talk about his past and his ancestors, etc, but u dont realize no one is to blame for their ancestors past and every one has thier dirty laundry, but step into the public eye then ur business becomes everyone elses …….no i dont think so. Everyone makes mistakes and who ever u vote for u should not go based on thier past or their mistakes but on what they stand for and how they can/ wil better the country. I’m sure each and everyone of u who talked bad about obama has ur dirty little secrets and one day they will come out beware of the public they make u they can break u

32. Republicanpundit Says:
    February 5th, 2008 at 11:00 am

    If one is too ashamed to wear the Flag of our great country, then I am too ashamed to vote for him.

    End of argument.

33. Republicanpundit Says:
    February 5th, 2008 at 11:02 am

    Sharelle,

    Is he black? Thanks for telling me.

    And all this time I thought he was an American.

34. Stephanie Says:
    February 5th, 2008 at 11:35 am

    RP, I wouldn’t worry about it. Coming from that person, who can’t write and can’t spell except for the vulgar words, I take it as a compliment. If her definition of a dumbass is someone who doesn’t talk like her, write like her, and think like her, I’d rather be the dumbass.

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