Islam Vs The Western World
I wrote about Hugh Hewitt’s show on Thursday and the discussion with his guests about the Society for Ethnomusicology’s statement against the use of music as terror. One of the guests was the beloved Mark Steyn. He mentioned a quote from the Ayatollah Khomeini published in 1990 about Islam. Here’s what he said on Hewitt’s show. Source: Hugh Hewitt Show Transcript.
And I put a quote up at the National Review’s website, from the Ayatollah Khomenei, which is I think one of the all-time great quotes, in which the Ayatollah says there are no jokes in Islam, there is no fun in Islam. This is something he wrote, and appears in his big volume of collected writings that was published in the holy city of Qum in 1990. And I love it. It’s a fantastic quote, because it points out one of the big differences between us and the enemy, which is that the enemy is totally humorless.
Here’s the actual quote from Then National Review.
“There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious.”
- Ayatollah Khomeini
Think about this whenever you go to a movie, participate in sports, watch a game on tv, go dancing with your partner. That one statement summarizes the problem with Islam and why they want to destroy us. Can you imagine growing up with this all your life?
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February 10th, 2007 at 3:59 am
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February 10th, 2007 at 8:11 am
who ever said there is no fun,joy and humor in islam is absloutly wrong..
its the opposite we enjoy our life alot and have lots of fun :smile: we do every thing you not muslims do BUT with limits :wink:..
why do you say that :sad: it is really sad that people see only one side of islam and dont see the other there are two sides in every thing right:?:…
i think you havn’t really met a real muslim.. so dont base your judge on what you see on TV..
because those people who are doing thse horriable thing to innocent people are not even considred as muslims in islam they are called “the outers” and that means they are not really muslims…:razz:
peace,,
February 10th, 2007 at 8:27 am
ayatollah khomeini is not muslim :shock: he is sheea
his not supose to say that 
February 10th, 2007 at 9:56 am
Please explain, fatima, why a Shiite is not a Muslim. The western world has been led to believe that Sunnis, Shiites, Wahabis are all Muslims. Are Indonesian Muslims considered Muslims? What about the Pakistanis?
And I don’t mean those questions to be an attack on you. I would like to understand the difference. And that would help to understand why Khomeni’s comment should be dismissed.
February 10th, 2007 at 10:41 am
Muslims do know how to have fun. Stoning adultresses, homosexuals, Christians, etc..
What fun!!!
February 10th, 2007 at 10:42 am
Please explain, fatima, why a Shiite is not a Muslim. The western world has been led to believe that Sunnis, Shiites, Wahabis are all Muslims.
CO GIRL
perhaps this will help
February 10th, 2007 at 11:02 am
IP, thanks. But it still doesn’t explain why fatima wrote
I want to know why she doesn’t consider Khomeni to be a muslim.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:04 am
I think the problem is that once they get started cracking jokes in Islam - where would it stop?
The entire belief system of ‘morality’ is based on a misogynist child mollesting murdering pervert. The biggest joke in the world is that people call it a religion of peace. It’s a religion of pieces.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:13 am
The religion of piss.
February 10th, 2007 at 11:19 am
Fatima,
If, as you say, Muslims have fun, You had better start showing that side quickly.
So far, the only fun I have seen them have is when they broadcast on the net after cutting someone’s head off.
What fun. They are a riot.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:35 pm
RP, the silence is deafening.
February 10th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
first of all as iam leaving in acountry full of Shiite and sunnah i know the diff between them..
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as a muslim we should follow both quran and sunnah because they are attached with each other un like shiite they follow only quran without the sunnah thats A.
B- as Shiites focused on developing their religious beliefs they add what they like and drop waht they dont, as an example they go on for one month and hit them selfs with sord and knifes calling that islam.. forcing kids to kill themselves and call it islam i challange them to give Avedience that says that this is islam that islam is based on cursing others and prophts sahaba.
c- yes every one in the world who says that he is amuslim and acually follows islams basics is amuslim and islam dont know a gender or anationality.
and who said that i am with those who kill iam absloutly not but you are seeing only that side of so called muslims but not the other acaully we dont hate Chrstians,jews,hindo..ect
i also have friend who are from other religions what you dont understan that there are normal muslims too,,
muslims who are against what others do..another thing if iam going to tell you more about he diff between sunnah and shiite that would take lots of pages
February 10th, 2007 at 2:39 pm
fatima:
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“who ever said there is no fun,joy and humor in islam is absloutly wrong..
No doubt in private most Muslims are like everyone else, with the same cares and joys we all have. I grant you that. However, regarding public behavior all I can say is that the expressions of “fun and Joy” that I’ll never forget were the joyful outbursts in the streets all over the Muslim world (and Palestine in particular) when thousands lay dead on September 11th.
“i think you havn’t really met a real muslim.. so dont base your judge on what you see on TV..
because those people who are doing thse horriable thing to innocent people are not even considred as muslims in islam they are called “the outers†and that means they are not really muslims…:razz:
peace,,”
I have met many Muslims in my work, and many of them are kind, decent people who I have great respect for. Yet I never see Mislims like that on TV - all I see are violent, bigoted, bloodthursty people. Why don’t decent Muslims ever demonstrate? Where is the Muslim Ghandi, the Muslim Martin Luther King, the Muslim Mother Theresa that will show us that there really is a core of goodness, of love, or charity towards others at the heart of the Muslim faith?
Peace to you as well
February 10th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
those are the Disgusting leaders of shiite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8woJ6Jt8CpU
and personally i couldnt watch this ahh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fad4VZmJ9J4
February 10th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
fatima, I appreciate that you are trying to explain the differences. But what doesn’t seem right in your explanation is that you talk about Shiites using the sword and forcing kids to kill themselves, yet Saddam was a Sunni and many died at his hands. The vast majority of the terrorist attacks in Iraq are by Sunnis.
The silence from normal, moderate Muslims is deafening. We NEVER hear any religious leaders speak out against the atrocities committed by the zealots. If Muslims do not want the western world to think that all Muslims are blood thirsty monsters, THEY MUST SPEAK OUT. Do they not do this because they fear they will be killed?
And I really do thank you for commenting here. It’s only by communication that we may all learn about each other.
February 11th, 2007 at 10:26 am
acually religious leaders in sudia, kuwait and UAE are strongly agianst those and they have said on it on TV and they have published books and fatwa’s saying that doing that is not from the real meaning of Jihad and it is not from the teachings of our prophet.
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and i prsonally want to speak out more BUT iam only 17
February 11th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
fatima, you’re very wise for 17 years of age. I wish there was more publicity in the west about the Muslim leaders speaking out. I think the news coverage here is inconsistent and spotty.
I am able to check out where you are located and I know that you are legitimate. Many times, people here would accuse you of being a “troll”, someone who comments just to change the discussion to something more controversial and to make us angry. I mention this here because I know you are not one and want others to realize this.
Thank you for coming by and commenting. Wish there were more Muslims like you speaking out.
February 11th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Fatima,
Would you tell me, how you and your friends think about what we are doing in Iraq?
February 11th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
we are really angry about what is going on in Iraq,,
but we know it is not people’s fault..
What is going on there is absloutly against human rights espcially the sexual abuse scandal at Abu Ghraib prison and Iraq have been turned to a killing fields it such a sad thing..
February 11th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Fatima,
I appreciate what you are saying, but to us, what happened in Abu Ghraib were not human rights violations.
What was done was no more than a childish prank here, but I understand in that society it was considered worse than it was intended. Siccing dogs on someone was not prankish and was wrong. It was all wrong.
You speak of the killing fields in Iraq. Under Saddam there were killing fields, and with the war between the Shia and Sunni there are more killing fields. We didn’t go to Iraq to kill the civilians or to take over the land.
If things had worked out the way we had hoped and planned we probably would be well on our way to leaving there completely by now. At the worst we probably would have established some bases and mainly stayed there unless the Iraqi government needed us in a support role.
We are not the ones who blow up cars in public places or kill people by cutting off their heads.
We value human life and do not see martyrdom as a way to heaven. Yes, some Christians were and will be martyrs, but that is not the preferred method of entering the Gates of Heaven.
You have a very level head and I enjoy the conversation you are having here with us. Please keep coming back.
You indicate you are Sunni. What is the difference between Shia and Sunni that they cannot get along and want to kill each other? It sounds kind of like the Irish Protestants and Catholics. Two groups from the same faith with different beliefs and therefore violence.
I don’t believe any violence is from or of God.
February 11th, 2007 at 2:19 pm
fatima,
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about the Jews? What were you taught about them as you were growing up?
February 11th, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Fatima,
Whose fault is it?
February 11th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
“I enjoy the conversation you are having here with us. Please keep coming back”
that is sweet thank you :”> i am enjoying that too,,
There are about 150 million Shia out of the 1.4 billion Muslims. The Shia are called Shia from the term Shi’at Ali (the faction of Ali, the cousin of the Muslim Prophet Mohammed).* They broke from the Sunni essentially from the time of the first Caliph, Abu Bakr. Abu Bakr was chosen for his seniority and by a vote of a shura council (a group to be made up of the most educated, respected and religious of the Muslim community) soon after the death of the Muslim Prophet Mohammed. The Shia thought Ali should have been the first caliph. The distance of Shia from the Sunni increased after the murder of Ali, by the Khajarites (the first real extremist jihadists in Islam) while he was at at prayer in Kufah. Ali was the fourth Muslim Caliph at the time. (A Khajarite killed Ali to fulfill the wishes of his fiance, another jihadist extremist.) All of the Shia Imams (the Shia version of the Caliph) were ‘Alid, from the family of Ali.
Other tipping points for the Shia include the murders of Ali’s sons Hassan and Hussein. Hussein and Ali were killed in Kerbala. Hussein’s tomb is found in Karbala, Ali’s in Najaf. Their tombs are important places of pilgrimage for Shia. The emotional outpouring that we saw in Najaf a few weeks ago was the anniversary of the day Shia mourn Hussein’s death. History and religion mean a lot to the Shia of Iraq. (Hussein was murdered on the 10th of Muharrem, the first month of the Islamic calendar in the 8th century. On the 40th day after a person’s death there is a special time of mourning in that part of the world. Hussein’s tomb is in Najaf. Hence the arbaeen (40th) commemoration is in Najaf. For more on arbaeen, see below.)
Iraq is in many ways the theological center of Shia Islam. Most of the 12 Imams are buried there. Most of the holiest shrines for the Shia are there.
Most Shia in Iraq are Ithna’ Ashara Shia (Twelver Shia), as in Iran. They believe that there were 12 Imams, with the last one still in occultation until the “last days.” This last Imam will come back as Al-Mahdi, sort of the savior for the Shia. When he returns then there will be a just government, according to some Shia. Until then some believe that all governments will not be entirely just.
How do Shia differ from Sunni?
The great Islamic scholars could answer this question in many books. One should refer to them for some of the more detailed and nuanced answers. However, the basic points of difference include the historical schism. They feel that Ali should have been the first caliph, and that Mohammed had said so during his last days. They even have a holiday, Eid Al-Ghadir, for the day that they believe Mohammed said that Ali would be the caliph after him. This holiday is called that because Mohammed was to have said at a spring in Saudi Arabia called Ghadir Al-Khumm (the pool of Khumm) that whoever has him as a master has Ali as a master. That quotation, of hadith, has led many Shia to believe that only Ali should have been the first caliph, not Abu Bakr, and that all caliphs, excepting those in the family of Ali, the Alids, were falsely chosen and were not the true leaders of the Muslim umma (community). There is also the problem of the murders of Ali, Hussein and Hasan. Those murders are a history that is alive today in the lives of many Shia.
Theologically, the Shia and the Sunni have much in common. They both follow the Hadith Al-Jabreel’s statement on the five pillars of Islam: (1) The shehada, or statement of faith, that there is no God but God and Mohammed is his messenger; (2)salah, the five daily prayers; (3) zakat, a voluntary religious tax paid directly to the poor (the Shia add in a khums tax, 20 percent of one’s profits, to aid in the protection and development of the umma); (4) sawm, fasting for the entire month of Ramadan if you are physically up to it and not traveling; (5) Hajj, performing a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime if one is financially and physically able to without harming other commitments, like to one’s family.
There are also many articles of faith that they share. They both see the Koran as the revealed word of God through Mohammed. They also look to the life of Mohammed as an example for how to live. The hadith, the sayings of the Prophet Mohammed, are also used to consider moral, ethical, and practical decisions. Many Shia take pilgrimages to the holy sites in the Atabat, “the holy thresholds” in Iraq of Najaf, Kerbala, Samarra, and Kazimayn. The Sunni do not consider these as places of pilgrimage, because it is not in the Quran or sunnah “prophets teachings†and the Quran says that a real Muslim should follow these two sources only and any other added thing is called beda’a and this is not Islam.
Now days, the religious leaders of shea in Iran says that a shea’s must kill Sunnah’s around the world and they would be well rewarded.
February 11th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
So, present day Muslims kill each other based on an argument over who was the real leader of the religion centuries ago?
I have a question that may seem silly, but how can you “mourn” for someone you never knew or saw and no one you know remembers him? How can you work up the emotion to cry over someone who has been dead for centuries and actually couldn’t care less if you remember him now or not?
I don’t mean this disrepectfully, but your culture completely blows me away with your thinking. I’m sure ours blows you away too.
February 12th, 2007 at 6:40 am
jeanette,
sheea does that,,
those people represent Islam and real models of muslims,,
so as muslims we have to follow their leads and we don’t “cry over” them!!
February 12th, 2007 at 9:18 am
fatima,
I would still like to know how you personally feel about Jews. Were you taught to hate them or do you like them?
February 12th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
personally I hate no one
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but what I know is jews are the enemies of islam,,
they hate muslims since ever and i dont have Enmity against them,,
but honstly i hate what they are doing in Palestine.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:08 pm
fatima,
How many Jews have climbed into jet aircraft and flown them into buildings?
How many Jews have built bombs and shipped them into Iraq (That would be the Sunnis in Iran)?
How many Jews have kidnapped soldiers from Lebanon and Palestine (oops - that would be the other way around… what ever happened to those kidnapped soldiers?)
How many Jews are setting bombs off in Bali? None - muslims, again.
How many Jews are doing public beheadings of their enemies?
I could go on and on here, but your perspective doesn’t have history on its side.
There is a holy war against the Jews to drive them out of their homeland. All societies accept the right of self-preservation except apparently Islamic societies.
That oblivion of thought will cast them into the pit of human society for eternity.
February 12th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
BTW, fatima, Israel has nuclear weaponry which they have not used. Is there any doubt that if Israel’s enemies had the same weapons, they would have destroyed Israel already?
That explains our desire to stem the Iranian drive for nuclear weapons. If we do not, we know that Muslims will kill with it.
February 12th, 2007 at 6:33 pm
fatima,
You say you know the Jews hate you and you hate what they are doing in Palestine. I don’t know what country you are in but obviously it is one that has changed history to show what they want you to see.
Did you know that Arafat was offered almost everything he demanded in 2000 by the Israeli Prime Minister at Camp David and he turned it down? Why, if he wanted the land for his people did he turn down everything he wanted? Because he wanted Israelis pushed into the sea.
The land they claim was barren until the Jews returned, and yes, fatima, they did return to Israel. It was their ancient homeland.
I have no doubt if the Palestinians controlled all of the land Israel occupies it would look like the slums the Palestinians already occupy.
Why isn’t Jordan castigated? Palestinians lived there also when that nation was formed and they are not welcome there.
Many Jews were killed in World War II just for being Jews. They were not protected by anyone and vowed no one would ever again do this to them.
All they wanted was their own little strip of land to live in peace with their neighbors. Instead their neighbors kept attacking them and Israel kept winning. Why do you suppose such a small country was beating all the larger countries? Do you think God had His Hand in this?
Israel has been forced to deal with the Palestinians the way they do because the Palestinians strap suicide belts on themselves and blow up Israelis at pizza joints, discos, bus stations etc. When this happens they go in and punish the Palestinians harder but the Palestinians don’t seem to learn.
If you are Sunni I know you are not fond of Iran, which is Shia. They’re not even Arab.
I ask you to check out history books that have not been changed and see who has told you a lie.
Please come back.
February 12th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Fascinating discussion!
Ain’t the internets grand!!
February 14th, 2007 at 11:58 am
sorry for being late
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but I’ve been really busy applying for universities
anyway, I read lots of English and Arabic history books and I think it is just a matter of opinion..