Frank Miller on the state of our nation.
I was pleasantly surprised this morning to find that Frank Miller, one of my favorite writer-directors, was not a raving moonbat. I hadn’t heard him comment on politics before, so I always assumed he was something of a liberal, since the comic book industry is so polluted with left-wing work. He turns out, however, to be quite informed. Here are some snippets from his interview with NPR:
NPR: […] Frank, what’s the state of the union?
FM: Well, I don’t really find myself worrying about the state of the union as I do the state of the home-front. It seems to me quite obvious that our country and the entire Western World is up against an existential foe that knows exactly what it wants … and we’re behaving like a collapsing empire. Mighty cultures are almost never conquered, they crumble from within. And frankly, I think that a lot of Americans are acting like spoiled brats because of everything that isn’t working out perfectly every time.
NPR: Um, and when you say we don’t know what we want, what’s the cause of that do you think?
FM: Well, I think part of that is how we’re educated. We’re constantly told all cultures are equal, and every belief system is as good as the next. And generally that America was to be known for its flaws rather than its virtues. When you think about what Americans accomplished, building these amazing cities, and all the good its done in the world, it’s kind of disheartening to hear so much hatred of America, not just from abroad, but internally.
NPR: A lot of people would say what America has done abroad has led to the doubts and even the hatred of its own citizens.
FM: Well, okay, then let’s finally talk about the enemy. For some reason, nobody seems to be talking about who we’re up against, and the sixth century barbarism that they actually represent. These people saw people’s heads off. They enslave women, they genitally mutilate their daughters, they do not behave by any cultural norms that are sensible to us. I’m speaking into a microphone that never could have been a product of their culture, and I’m living in a city where three thousand of my neighbors were killed by thieves of airplanes they never could have built.
NPR: As you look at people around you, though, why do you think they’re so, as you would put it, self-absorbed, even whiny?
FM: Well, I’d say it’s for the same reason the Athenians and Romans were. We’ve got it a little good right now. Where I would fault President Bush the most, was that in the wake of 9/11, he motivated our military, but he didn’t call the nation into a state of war. He didn’t explain that this would take a communal effort against a common foe. So we’ve been kind of fighting a war on the side, and sitting off like a bunch of Romans complaining about it. Also, I think that George Bush has an uncanny knack of being someone people hate. I thought Clinton inspired more hatred than any President I had ever seen, but I’ve never seen anything like Bush-hatred. It’s completely mad.
NPR: And as you talk to people in the streets, the people you meet at work, socially, how do you explain this to them?
FM: Mainly in historical terms, mainly saying that the country that fought Okinawa and Iwo Jima is now spilling precious blood, but so little by comparison, it’s almost ridiculous. And the stakes are as high as they were then. Mostly I hear people say, ‘Why did we attack Iraq?’ for instance. Well, we’re taking on an idea. Nobody questions why after Pearl Harbor we attacked Nazi Germany. It was because we were taking on a form of global fascism, we’re doing the same thing now.
NPR: Well, they did declare war on us, but…
FM: Well, so did Iraq.
If you’re unfamiliar with Frank Miller’s work, he’s the creator of Sin City, 300, and Batman: The Dark Knight Returns. He is widely regarded one of the greatest comic book authors in history, and along with other modern authors Neil Gaiman (The Sandman) and Alan Moore (Watchmen, V for Vendetta), helped revive the stagnant industry in the late 80’s and early 90’s.
You can listen to the interview over at Little Green Footballs.
Posted by Rory
January 26th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
How great was that interview and I could just imagine the interviewer having heart failure at the educated and intense response of this man whom it would seem they did not have an idea of his political views either, funny.
January 26th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
The liberal NPR interviewer probably was holding on to a cross the whole time.
January 27th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
I was struck by Miller’s emotional intensity and discomfort, like he was trying to keep the depth of his feelings in check while being intellectually cogent at the same time. The interview ends abruptly as he seems to choke back the grief of 9/11 which occurred a few miles from where he was living at the time.
I’ve heard Miller interviewed on NPR before and he did not sound anything like this.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:46 pm
hg,
The interviewer is probably still on an
oxygen bottle!!
January 28th, 2007 at 9:43 am
Well, I don’t know about that particular interviewer, but Miller has spoken explicitly about his position on Iraq and the War on Terror, on two other NPR programs. I assume they included Miller for balance.
They followed him immediately with an all-but-weeping woman going on about how George Bush is disregarding the American soldiers being killed or maimed in Iraq.
January 28th, 2007 at 10:39 am
During the NPR segment, Miller was the only one supporting the Iraq War. Even Merle Haggard was against it or didn’t understand the point, and spoke as though his children were on the verge of being drafted.
In the context of the entire show, Miller sounded quite dark, almost deranged. I agree with him and appreciate his courage in speaking out, but he was in a lonely spot and I’m not sure how well his appearance worked. He may have been aware of this and that’s why he sounded so strained.
February 16th, 2007 at 11:52 am
I saw “300″ yesterday at the berlin film festival. for those interested, it’s a shameless allegory of the iraq war. though i disagree with the iraq war and Miller’s views, it was a fine movie.
February 20th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Miller sounded like he is out of control. He was ignorant, uninformed and nearly hysterical.
People who are familiar with his work said I shouldn’t have been surprised.
Anytime you are to the right of Merle Haggard I think you need to check yourself.
March 5th, 2007 at 2:45 am
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March 5th, 2007 at 10:48 am
I think a lot of people assume that because of a couple of songs he did in the ’60s Merle Haggard is some kind of right-winger. Seems to me I’ve read some things he’s said in more recent years that suggest otherwise.
March 11th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Miller is “informed”? All of the sections of his comments that are bolded are wrong. 1) Iraq did not declare war on the US. 2) All of the 9/11 terrorists were highly educated and several were in fact engineers trained in the West. This doesn’t make what they did any less horribly wrong, but it also shows that Miller doesn’t know his facts. So several of the terrorists probably could have designed that mic or that airplane. But you know what? I bet that Miller couldn’t. 3) Miller says our enemies (which in his mind seems to be all Muslims everywhere) want to take us back to the sixth century. Uh, Islam didn’t exist in the sixth century. 4) Americans aren’t spoiled brats (how’s that for lack of patriotism? Insulting your fellow citizens), they just recognize that this war is unwinable.
March 11th, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Doug - You can surrender your country as easily as you have surrendered your brains, and it won’t change the facts to suit your agenda.
America is not losing in Iraq. The surge is working. Trying reading a few first hand accounts outside the green zone. Michael Yon, for example, he is not criticism free nor whitewashing the difficulties, but he will give you an honest appraisal - that is of course if you are interested in honesty.
March 12th, 2007 at 5:52 pm
Kathy,
I note 2 things. 1) You agree with Miller that Americans are “spoiled brats.” 2) You don’t seem to disagree that Miller is, in fact, not well informed at all, which was the main point of my comment, since you don’t even attempt to discuss any of my other points.
I’m not going to try to convince you that the surge is working–I know that I have no chance of succeeding. But when the level of violence has, if anything, increased since the “surge” started, I don’t see how you can justify your optimism.
March 12th, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Kathy,
Let me add that it’s completely ridiculous to say that I have “surrendered my country.” You may have forgotten this, but Iraq never attacked the US! Iraq is a distraction from fighting terrorism, which is the real danger. Where’s Bin Laden? I thought we were supposed to have him “dead or alive” by now. He’s still out there. Saddam, who certainly wasn’t a nice guy but who had nada to do with 9/11, is dead, but Bin Laden, the man who planned 9/11, is still out there. Nice job, BushCo.
March 12th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
Doug - thanks for your comments - not fact based but I didn’t expect it.
Here’s something you might want to consider. We are fighting a war in Iraq. There are only two ways to end a war. Lose or Win. There is no Draw. You choose to lose. Check it out buddy - that’s surrender.
March 12th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Doug,
Although Kathy is perfectly capable of defending her own comments let me address your Iraq was not a part of 9/11 and where is bin Laden questions.
Do you remember ever hearing of Salmon Pak? You know the big plane that was used to train terrorists in how to hijack jets? Do you know where Salmon Pak is? Try Iraq.
Do you remember the little guy with the bad leg who was Al Qaeda and was in Iraq for medical treatment and then Saddam had him snuffed?
Do you remember Iraq was one of the few countries to express condolences after 9/11?
Circumstantial of course, but do you remember all the Democrat harpies telling us they were just positive Saddam had WMD and President Bush said we must take care of that situation before it became an imminent threat?
How do you know we haven’t killed bin Laden? Have you seen him on any videos lately?
March 12th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
Doug,
I did an entire post just for you. Tune in tomorrow morning around eight. There was just too much information to put into a single comment.
Give your white flag a rest.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:21 am
This guy is f****** awesome
March 13th, 2007 at 5:35 pm
There seems to be some kind of censorship going on here. All my posts get flagged as “spam” and don’t appear for hours, if at all.
What’s the matter, wingnuts, can’t handle some cold hard facts?
March 15th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
There’s a lot you can say about terrorists in particular, but Arabs and Muslims in general? If we go back a thousand years, WE were burning witches and THEY were preserving the works of the ancient Greek philosophers. Many of whom would be lost to us otherwise, and our systems of logic and ethics along with them.
If Miller is as educated as he and others claim, he’d be aware of that.
(Also, genital mutilation is a product of African culture; it’s not a product of Muslim religion, although the Burka is.)
March 15th, 2007 at 7:15 pm
Even the burqa did not originate in Islam. The Greek, Byzantine and Persian societies that surrounded and conquered what is now Afghanistan had similar - often stricter - gender divisions, and some (not all) Pashtun tribes carried on this tradition. Let’s also not forget that head covering and separation of women from men is part of Jewish tradition too.
March 23rd, 2007 at 2:16 am
(sorry, I meant to respond to your comment inside your post and accidentally deleted it instead, and now can’t get it back. My apologies - editor)
March 24th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
The very last line ruined the whole interview for me. My respect for Miller has gone far down simply because of his Iraq BS.
Here’s a question for all you cons: if you’re (you being the US) at school and someone pushes you to the ground (terrorist hijackers) and you bleed (9/11), and then another person who happened to be at the scene started laughing at you (Iraq, Saddam), would you vow revenge and plan to beat the merciless crap out of that a******? He didn’t do anything — he wasn’t part of the plan, and he didn’t tell anyone to push you — he was just being a douche bag. Iraq never declared war on the US. And btw, Saddam was a good friend of the Bushes.
P.S. ~J~, that was a terribly weak response. Wouldn’t you think that, especially since Dubya’s rating is so low, they would WANT everyone to know bin Laden’s dead? I mean, come on, we’re talking votes here.
[newton responds: I’m calling BS, BS, BS, and total BS on every single point made here. Saddam is history. Bin Laden will be if he’s not. And all those who support terrorists, actively or tacitly, will soon be.
That also means those who will surrender to them as well. So, shut the hell up, and stop making a fool out of yourself!]
April 14th, 2007 at 11:45 am
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April 14th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
oh, you wacky, paranoid, conservatives are so funny! Kathy, you’re a hoot. You’re responses to the more than thoughtful comments of Doug were prime examples of one-way communication - I suggest an avatar of the monkey holding his/her ears for you. Silly, silly, right-wingers don’t you know endless fear is for horror movies, not for real-life?
April 14th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
winggrunt4,
Thanks.
Since ad hominem is all you’ve got, pardon me if I see your LOL and raise you a ROTFLMAO.
And as for endless fear - talk to Al Gorilla - he’s the one claiming mankind is destroying the planet.
Take a trip to Ground Zero in NYC - and then tell me that terrorism isn’t real. BTW - I’ve walked on a South American glacier and I’ve stood at Ground Zero and I know who’s blowing smoke and who is simply full of hot air.
Can’t say the same for you.
April 17th, 2007 at 4:50 am
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September 22nd, 2007 at 4:28 pm
I think all that he was trying to say with his comments about the microphone and the airplanes is that Muslim society has not been, within the last few centuries, the type of culture that facilitates technological innovation and development in the way that Western society has. If the Muslim World was once on it’s way to becoming progressive then that growth was stunted somewhere along the way, supplanted by Western innovation.
He makes a strong point about the potential of US citizens uniting against the idea of what we’re currently up against in the way that we united against the idea of fascism in the 40s, but he seems to undermine that point when he tries to take it a step further and parallel political specifics; with WWII the lines were drawn very clearly, with Iraq the spectrum of the enemy and who does and does not pose a threat to the US is more vague–which has been the Great Debate of this whole war.
I’m a big fan of Miller’s work and have found the political ideas expressed in some of his work to be profound … but his responses here seem strangely exaggerated and out of character for him. Not sure what to make of it.
*Also, I noticed a comment suggesting that someone visit Ground Zero to gain some first-hand perspective into the reality of terrorism. I live in New York City and pass by or through Ground Zero almost daily, and the faceless construction site occupying that area offers little more perspective than any other mess of scaffoldings and orange cones typically scattered throughout the city. I think you gain more insight into the reality of all this when you’re randomly stopped and searched for explosives by apathetic police officers on your way into the subway during rush hours.
November 23rd, 2007 at 6:25 pm
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December 3rd, 2007 at 9:59 pm
Doug Says:
March 11th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Miller is “informed� All of the sections of his comments that are bolded are wrong. 1) Iraq did not declare war on the US. 2) All of the 9/11 terrorists were highly educated and several were in fact engineers trained in the West. This doesn’t make what they did any less horribly wrong, but it also shows that Miller doesn’t know his facts. So several of the terrorists probably could have designed that mic or that airplane. But you know what? I bet that Miller couldn’t. 3) Miller says our enemies (which in his mind seems to be all Muslims everywhere) want to take us back to the sixth century. Uh, Islam didn’t exist in the sixth century. 4) Americans aren’t spoiled brats (how’s that for lack of patriotism? Insulting your fellow citizens), they just recognize that this war is unwinable.
In responce to Doug’s rant.
1. Saddam Hussien’s Iraq had been firing at our air planes on a daily basis for years before we invaded that country. Any one of those incidents would classify as an act of war. And no that country did not have the right to shoot at our planes, Saddam’s rule and the rule of all dictators is illegitimate. He never had a right to do anything he did as ruler of that country.
2.The terrorists could have designed the mic or airplane eh? That’s amazingly stupid. Miller’s point was that western scientific method has trumped all other cultures as a means of discerning truth and thus creating technology. Yes, I know the Muslims helped spur on the enlightenment with preserved documents from ancient Greece, but that still doesn’t mean much because they skipped the event themselves. All cultures are not equal. In the western world you can be a muslim and still function in society. Under the Taliban or any other fundementalist muslim country, you can not be a Christian or a Jew or an athiest and do the same thing. And yes I know the Muslims tout their record of “tolerance” during the height of the caliphates in Iraq, but the system they created was worse for minorities than Jim Crow. They just let most of them live.
3. Islam came into being in 610, yes I know that’s the 7th century but you’re not winning any points for being cheeky.
4. I don’t think all muslims are trying to bring us back to the SEVENTH century and neither does Miller, he, and I, want Muslims everywhere to join the west in the 21st century and realize that subjugation of women, supression of freedom of speech ( and that includes the Prophet Mohammed and images of him and criticism of him), undemocratic regimes and terrorist attacks on civilians are not acceptable. Muslims must modernize. We will not go backwards for them.
December 3rd, 2007 at 10:03 pm
In responce to Doug’s March 11 rant.
1. Saddam Hussien’s Iraq had been firing at our air planes on a daily basis for years before we invaded that country. Any one of those incidents would classify as an act of war. And no that country did not have the right to shoot at our planes, Saddam’s rule and the rule of all dictators is illegitimate. He never had a right to do anything he did as ruler of that country.
2.The terrorists could have designed the mic or airplane eh? That’s amazingly stupid. Miller’s point was that western scientific method has trumped all other cultures as a means of discerning truth and thus creating technology. Yes, I know the Muslims helped spur on the enlightenment with preserved documents from ancient Greece, but that still doesn’t mean much because they skipped the event themselves. All cultures are not equal. In the western world you can be a muslim and still function in society. Under the Taliban or any other fundementalist muslim country, you can not be a Christian or a Jew or an athiest and do the same thing. And yes I know the Muslims tout their record of “tolerance” during the height of the caliphates in Iraq, but the system they created was worse for minorities than Jim Crow. They just let most of them live.
3. Islam came into being in 610, yes I know that’s the 7th century but you’re not winning any points for being cheeky.
4. I don’t think all muslims are trying to bring us back to the SEVENTH century and neither does Miller, he, and I, want Muslims everywhere to join the west in the 21st century and realize that subjugation of women, supression of freedom of speech ( and that includes the Prophet Mohammed and images of him and criticism of him), undemocratic regimes and terrorist attacks on civilians are not acceptable and will be met with lethal fury. Muslims must modernize. We will not go backwards for them.
July 19th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Its moonbats like Doug that can bring down the american empire. Stop them now while there is still time. STAND YOUR GROUND
God Bless America
July 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I thoroughly enjoyed The Dark Knight Returns, but was almost sickened by its conservative undertones. There is a section in book one, when Commissioner Gordon is walking the crime ridden streets, wondering what happened to the wealth, glory, and power of Gotham, missing the fact entirely that it was his own mindless, selfish conservatism to be blamed. I’m sorry to hear that the creator failed to realize this. You created the uneducated anarchists (the Mutants) you dumb bastards. Please leave some hateful responses!
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July 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
I thoroughly enjoyed The Dark Knight Returns, but was almost sickened by its conservative undertones. There is a section in book one, when Commissioner Gordon is walking the crime ridden streets, wondering what happened to the wealth, glory, and power of Gotham, missing the fact entirely that it was his own mindless, selfish conservatism to be blamed. I’m sorry to hear that the creator failed to realize this. You created the uneducated anarchists (the Mutants) you dumb bastards. Please leave some hateful responses!
July 31st, 2008 at 12:23 am
George, I will give you an answer that you will understand and deserve…..You…are a moron.
There, I hope you understood that. I know it was a big word but I think you might be able to figure out what it means…eventually.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:05 am
George - whatever.
BIg Mofo - dude, it’s not nice to ape someone’s screen name.
July 31st, 2008 at 11:42 pm
Big Mofo- Admittedly I am no political scientist, in fact I am almost completely uneducated in all political matters. I am scheduled to take Government next school year, and hope a bit more information will help my building of more tenable arguments in this field (not that I have made any attempt to create one here). But may I point out that you are doing the exact same thing almost all conservatives do; dismissing all foreign information as “moonbattery” (if you will), and making a valiant effort to maintain out of date (way out of date) social and political characteristics and opinions. So here is my answer to you Big Mofo, which hopefully you will understand once you are old enough to construct real arguments (rather than calling all who disagree morons) - You are weak and you are selfish and you are entitled to your base opinions. Nice smiley face.
I would rather not be so harsh, but I am under the impression that you right wingers respect this sort of attacking thing. And I am sorry for using the term dumb bastards which was really uncalled for. Peace….. …oh wait.
But seriously The Dark Knight Returns IS a great graphic novel.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 am
George - I’m pretty sure “Big Mofo” is a liberal pretending to be a conservative.
And you really don’t know what conservatives really believe, do you? Otherwise you wouldn’t have written this, which describes NO conservatives that I know, but fits perfectly with the liberal caracature of conservatives:
“But may I point out that you are doing the exact same thing almost all conservatives do; dismissing all foreign information as “moonbattery” (if you will), and making a valiant effort to maintain out of date (way out of date) social and political characteristics and opinions.”
NOT EVEN CLOSE, George.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:09 am
I agree, Mo. George has no idea what conservatism is really about. Unfortunately, I doubt he’ll learn any more with the course he’s scheduled to take.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Why don’t you explain to me what conservatism is then….but really there is no point. Recently being an angst driven teenage conservative libertarian, I am sure there is nothing you can write to change my mind on the fact that your rhetoric is that of selfishness and ignorance. Just as there is no point in my writing this, especially on a “hang right” page. Surely I disagree with you on the most root of philosophies and vice-versa. It seems clear that my shallow arguing is doing no “good”, and neither is yours. I am sorry for only fanning the stereotype fire that plagues our country. It was foolish to self righteously come to this page.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Here’s a good place to start. George.
http://www.kirkcenter.org/index.php/thought/
And if you really want a discussion, you might be able to get one if you ditch the name calling and stereotyping beforehand.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
George - a question for you: you say that you’re going to be taking a “Government” class. May I ask how old you are?
All of the regular posters here (the ones listed at the top of the page) are adults who are well into our lives. You come here and pick a fight, throw inane stereotypes around and then whine when you’re called on it — and then claim the really, truly SILLY things you did in your last comment.
Why do I ask your age? Because your–by your own admission–shallow arguments are very typical of people who haven’t been schooled hard yet in real life beyond college.
Maybe you should skip the “Government” class and take something that teaches you how to present an argument that’s not insipid.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:08 pm
“It was foolish to self righteously come to this page.”
Comment by George.
That is the first intelligent thing you have said all day.
You are way out of your league here, but thanks for playing!!!!.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 am
Well I am not an adult Big Mo, and thank you for finding the realization of my foolishness intelligent republicanpundit. In fact I am not yet old enough to buy cigarettes. I have never heard of arguments lacking flavor. I won’t post anymore after this, but I am interested in hearing a legitimate, non-plagiarized, definition of conservatism, I am a young malleable piece of semi-optimistic existence, maybe you will convert me! But all you have done to argue so far, is diss me. I do not HATE conservatives, in fact I see conservatism to be about as legitimate as social and economic liberalism in the sense that we have no absolutes to act as a foundation on which we can build something real (though it is clear we adopt certainties as absolutes, which has led us here, a webpage built to help build self-esteem with ones opinions by grouping together). But seriously fuck you.
PS. Let’s avoid age and philosophical differences for a moment and agree on something. Isn’t the internet great? Where would we aggressive types been able to share our under-developed opinions? On the football field? I should hope not! Thanks for letting me play.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:08 am
Now, he can feel good about himself again. Always glad to help out the poor unfortunate teenagers who are so downtrodden by adults.
/sarcasm
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:22 am
” But seriously fuck you.”
Oh, that’s real intelligent.
George, if you REALLY want to learn, stick around and 1) drop the stereotypes 2) stop accusing us here of things that aren’t true and 3) get something more intelligent than “f you.”
What is a conservative? See tyhe new post.
October 15th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Ok well from as far I can tell, none of you people are fighting in Iraq so hold your comments, judgement and claims that we shouldn’t be over there. You are in no position whatsoever to make unprecedented claims like”We shouldn’t be in Iraq, we never should have gone”. Kiss my AS$ ok..Miller was right when he made the comparison to Nazi Germany and had the United States had the media coverage, television, and everything else in the early 1940’s like we have today, it would have been the same thing. But since they didn’t, it still goes unnoticed or unreasoned that we invaded their country when we weren’t attacked by them. You people are suckers for the environment around you, not free-thinkers and are pure clones of each other. Read a fucking history book. No one ever won a war over night. You can win a war or you can lose a war. And I’m not the biggest fan of President Bush; in fact I think he is just an ok president but back to the media topic, he is just purely represented as “the most horrible man in the world”. Yeah, a favorite liberal line. Here’s a math formula…
IRAQ WAR + MEDIA COVERAGE + CLONE + HYPOCRITICAL + ARBITRARIOUS VIEWS + THIS FAKE HIPPIE PEACE LOVING AGENDA = AN ILLUSION
You’re not fighting in the war and if you think this country is an International bully pick up a history book from the shelf and read it. Take off all your f*** facades, stop crying about the war and live your life like you should. Because I will bet any of you that you all walk around every single day absolutely not GIVING A FU**that we are still in Iraq so stop pretending like you all do and be yourself.
April 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
one poster had to be a complete idiot to say that sadam was a good friend of the bushes.
another mentioned that some terrorists could make a microphone, because they were educated. yes, idiot, that is true. but not, moron, it does not contradict what miller said. Miller said that those technical achievements he listed were products of our SOCIETY. he wasn’t talking in individual terms. He was talking about them as being inventions of our society. Sure, now that they have been invented there are going to be intelligent individuals in any country who could COPY their designs or maybe, maybe, even slightly improve them. YES, bonehead, yes there are examples of smart people even in the most squalid shitholes. EVEN in the middle east. but, he was talking about the SOCIETY as a whole. if you see a video of them torturing someone in public, ripping off some white person’s arms who they captured, the streets are filled with people CHEERING. that does not happen IN OUR SOCIETY. sure we would have some individuals who would cheer that. that will happen in any country, with any action. There are neonazis or the equivalent in just about any country. The point is, they are major part of the population OVER THERE. NOT HERE.
sure they could have a couple guys make a microphone. but their countries did not invent them. and never would have. the things they have over there are things they took from us. we designed them, they just use them.
their culture does not allow for people to design new things or ideas, because they are suppressed by their rulers. They are not allowed to THINK, to ever be ABLE to design anything new.
and on the topic of individuals, the individuals who ARE educated over there, who COULD understand the inner workings of a microphone, or come over HERE to learn how to fly a jet, those people are a privileged FEW. Their families were most likely RICH. They probably had ties to government authorities and therefore did not have to worry about being raped, gassed, tortured, or whatever because they were IN with the government. Either that, or they came from a wealthy family in a more stable middle east country like Saudi Arabia, then funneled into the more chaotic countries, making contacts with the corrupt authorities there, to start terrorist camps.
its the kind of dynamic that liberals are always bitching about, but in the extreme. liberals bitch about the gap between the wealthy and the poor. but that gap is so much more extreme over there. over there the poor get raped by the rich. or dragged off into the night by the rich for something they said. the funny thing is that when america tries to bring some kind of order to them so that shit doesn’t happen, liberals bitch about THAT. turns out they don’t ACTUALLY give a shit about the suffering masses, at least not if they are muslims….
wake up you pricks, you are supporting evil.